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Dear Secretary, Robert
McConnell Productions received an e-mail from you dated Sunday, December
5th, 2010 describing a situation in your board where the
president refused to place a motion for discussion and vote, and then
after being asked to do so, stated “I quit” and walked out of the
meeting. The e-mail stated that “The next day, the president went to
our place of business and told our remaining employee that she had
resigned and would not be back.” … “Two days later, the vice president
called an emergency board meeting. The president who said she quit did
not received notice. The board meeting was held and the president’s
resignation was accepted.” “Two weeks later, the former president told
a friend that she did not resign. This person related the information
to a current board member. She has not contacted any of the current
board members by phone, email or other method.” The e-mail then asked the following questions:
In
further e-mails I have received minutes of the two board meetings,
November 18th, 2010 and November 23, 2010, and copy of the
bylaws. I have been told by you that you have a seven member board.
Two members resigned at the October meeting and two members resigned at
the November 18th meeting. Organization XYZ received one
written resignation from the board member who resigned at the November
18th meeting, but the board has not received a written
resignation from the president who declared “I quit” and left the
meeting. Currently there are three board members. At the November 23rd
meeting, two new board members were appointed to begin serving December
15th, 2010. Other business was also conducted at that
meeting. First
Question: “Was it incorrect in assuming that the president quit,
after stating she would quit, then stating she quit, and then telling
the employee she resigned? Answer:
No, it was not incorrect to assume that the president quit. When a
board member stands up, says, “I quit”, leaves the meeting, tells others
that she has quit, and has not contacted the board members to say she
has changed her mind, it is logical to believe this member has
resigned. According to the bylaws, it is the duty of the board to fill
the vacancy as soon as possible. Second
question: Did she need notice of the emergency meeting? Answer:
Since her resignation was not accepted at the meeting when she walked
out, she is technically still a member of the board until the
resignation is adopted. When someone abandons his post of duty,
the other members would naturally assume that she did not want to
participate in the special meeting or be a member of the corporation.
Because the rest of the board is operating on the premise that she did
not want to be a member of the board, the rest of the board would not
send her notice of the meeting. I am not an attorney so I don’t know
whether or not this argument would stand up in court. As a
parliamentarian, I could present a parliamentary opinion on both sides
of the case. Third question: Is that emergency
meeting void? Answer:
This is where there is a problem. In your bylaws, under “4.09 Vacancies
/Resignation,” it states that “any Director may resign, subject to the
prohibition of Section 5226 of the California Nonprofit Corporation
Law.” This law states the following: “Except upon notice to the
Attorney General, no director may resign where the corporation would
then be left without a duly elected director or directors in charge of
its affairs.” It is my opinion that this could be interpreted in two
ways. One way would be that you still have three board members so you
can go forward with your business. The second way the law could be
interpreted is: that since your bylaws state that a quorum is “a
majority of the total number of Directors with at least one Director
being a currently elected Officer”(4.07), the resignations are not
acceptable because it leaves the board without a quorum and the ability
to conduct business. To figure a quorum under your bylaws which state:
“A majority of the total number of Directors,” the majority it
figured from the total slots on the board, not whether they are filled
with people. The total number of the board is seven directors. A
majority is four directors. Right now the board has only three directors
and therefore does not have enough people in directors’ positions to
have a quorum to conduct business. Before
I give a solution, let’s look at a parliamentary principle concerning
quorum. First, there must be a quorum to have a meeting. However, if
an organization gets to a place where there is not enough members to
fulfill the quorum requirement, the quorum requirement cannot stop the
operation of that organization. In cases like this members can amend
the bylaws to change the quorum number so that they can meet and conduct
business. I am not recommended that you change your quorum, but I
believe the principle applies to your situation.
This
is how it applies. Since you had two members resign in October and the
vacancies were not filled, and two more resign in November, this left
the corporation with three members and no quorum so that it could
continue to carry out its duties and responsibilities. However, it is
my parliamentary opinion those three members had a right to fill
vacancies so that the corporation could continue to operate. At the
November emergency meeting, the only business that could be done was to
fill vacancies. Since the board did not allow the appointees to take
the positions immediately, then the other business transacted is not
valid because there was no quorum. Any motions adopted at the emergency
meeting will have to be ratified at the next regular board meeting.
At the next regular board meeting,
if the former president arrives, challenges that you did not give her
notice of the special meeting and she is threating you with a law suit
or some other action, then allow her to stay. At that point, ratify
the appointment of the two new board members and state that they will
take their positions immediately. Then ratify the resignation of the
member who sent in a formal written letter of resignation. Next take up
the verbal resignation of the former president. If she wants to
withdraw it, then you can vote on whether to allow her to withdraw it.
If the members vote “yes,” then you now have a six member board. If the
members vote “no” on withdrawing the motion, then the vice president
will put the motion to accept her verbal resignation to a vote. If it
is adopted, she will be asked to leave and the board goes forward. If
the members allow her to stay, then the next step is to vote on her
resignation as “president.” However, before you take any action, this
question needs to be carefully considered: What course of action
will bring unity to this corporation and allow it to go forward to
accomplish its purpose? If
this former president does not come to this meeting ,the board still
needs to ratify all other business that was adopted at the emergency
meeting. It is my opinion that all that could be done at the emergency
meeting was to appoint people to fill the vacancies. Until you have a
quorum of four board members no other business can be legally
transacted. If the
former president is no longer a member of the board, the board has only
filled two of the vacancies. Because your bylaws give you "an opt-out"
on filling vacancies, you need to ask yourself, which positions are
these two new board members filling? Will it be the ones that resigned
in October or the two that resigned in November? Usually it would be
the positions of those that resigned in October. The reason that an
organization designates which positions is because the terms many vary.
The board will need to know when the board members’ positions will end.
I realize that your bylaws allow these vacancies to continue until the
next annual meeting. However, you can see what happens if you don’t
fill them immediately and others resign. The board is left in a
position where it can’t operate because there is no quorum.
At
the November 18th meeting, when the president refused to
place the motion for discussion and vote, it was a dereliction of duty.
The board members had a right according to their bylaws to consider the
termination of an employee. (4.05) Robert’s Rules also states
that a president must place before the assembly every legitimate motion
for discussion and a vote. I recommend that in the future the board act on resignations at the meeting a resignation is presented and fill the vacancies immediately. I also recommend that each board member:
Summary: It is my
opinion that the board had a right to meet on November 23, 2010 to
fill vacancies on the board to meet the bylaw requirements to have a
seven member board and quorum. It is my opinion that no other
business at that meeting was valid because there was not a quorum
present to conduct other business. The business adopted at that
meeting will have to be ratified at the next regular business meeting
where a quorum is present. This
opinion is based on emails, the bylaws, minutes, and general
parliamentary law. There is nothing in Robert’s Rules of Order Newly
Revised 10th edition or Robert’s Rules
of Order Simplified and Applied that specifically address a
situation like this. The parliamentarian has had to rely on bylaws and
apply general principles to parliamentary law to give this opinion. Robert McConnell Productions
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ATTENTION MEMBERS OF ORGANIZATIONS
How many times have you attended a meeting which promised to be "brief", andthen has gone on and on and on for hours?
There is a solution. Know the rules of order in a meeting and use them!
The most effective meetings that I have attended have been conducted by a president whoknows Robert's Rules of Order, who has sent the agenda has provided any pertinentinformation to the members before the meeting and has provided paper and pencil for themembers to write down motions.
Lets take a look at these factors:
2. Another time waster is ill-conceived motions. Providing members with paper and pencil to write a clearly thought out motion can save time because it doesn't have to be amended many times to make it clear; or it doesn't have to be withdrawn and then start over again. A well thought out motion includes what the group is to do, how and when it is to be done and how much time and money is to be spent.
3. Here's another way to save time: Give the people the information they need before the meeting so they can have their ideas well formulated before they discuss them.
4. Another time waster is calling on committee chairmen to give reports when they don't have one to give or they aren't there. The president should call every committee chairman who is to give a report before the meeting to make sure that he/she will be at the meeting and have a report to give. Only those chairmen who have a report ready to give should be called on. To expedite the giving of reports, chairmen should sit in the front so that they don't waste time getting to the front to give their reports. If you have a committee that is researching a project and that committee is supposed to give a recommendation to the members in its report, phrase the recommendation as a "motion", not a recommendation. The motion should come at the end of the report, and the reporting member of the committee (usually the chairman), states: "By direction of the committee, I move that ...." A motion coming from a committee does not need a second because at least one other committee member has agreed that it should be discussed. This cuts out a step. If a committee makes a recommendation, someone still has to make a motion to accept the committee's recommendation.
5. The President needs to know when to call for the vote: Let's say someone has made a motion, and the chair has repeated it. "It is moved and seconded to.......Is there any discussion?" If the chair looks around and no one is standing to discuss it , the chair can say, "As many as are in favor say 'Aye'. (wait for the response from the group) Those opposed say, 'No'." (wait for response) Announce the vote. "The 'Ayes' have it and the motion is carried and we will do........So & so will carry it out." or, "The 'noes' have it and the motion is lost." Then go on to the next business in order.
6. Another thing many people don't know is that a member can only speak twice to a motion, but only after everyone who wants to speak for the first time does so. This certainly keeps debate going and stops any member that is always popping up to talk after each member speaks.
7. An effective president, a leader, provides his membership with information so that they know how to keep meetings moving too.
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